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The new Chris Harris Podcasts are compulsive listening. Latest one suggests both V-Power & Esso Rocket Fuels DO make a difference. They also refer to rare availability of 101 performance fuel. I never heard of this stuff.

Also talking about the new generation Ferrari’s & how the company are battling to position themselves in a fragile, changing world.

Trying to not want a political argument but I do wonder if the new governments, seeming, war on ICE & car use in general would ever see a ‘poll tax’ moment. I wonder how hard government will get on restricting car use.

Would be interested to hear your views. Without getting political, if possible 😂

CH really should be on mainstream tv. Brilliant to listen to & highly recommended.
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I like Chris but wasn't aware of his podcast. Matt Watson posted a video this week comparing the Hyundai Ioniq5 N EV to a M2 and they mentioned about 102 octane petrol as it was available from the petrol station near Silverstone. It was first I ever heard about it.

Regarding government taxes, it looks like we should brace for an eventual pay per mile tax in the Autumn budget which could open the Pandora box. The government has been balloon trialing different options through the media since the election. Anything to plug the hole is guess but it seems they will start taxing EVs then ICE but the point is how much we might have to pay in the future based on engine size. If predictions are right, we could pay up 100s/year if one drives 5K+ year as I do.

This tax, if it comes in, might eventually replace the current road tax. I hope it gets thrown out.
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WShudds wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 12:26 pm Regarding government taxes, it looks like we should brace for an eventual pay per mile tax in the Autumn budget which could open the Pandora box.
I don't see how that is in any way practical. Will we all be required to submit mileages every day/week/month/year? Or fit a data logger that'll upload our journeys to the DVSA? Or just a fudge to make it easy to collect and be unfair to many drivers? Like most government initiatives, it makes for a good soundbite, but is really nonsensical in practice.
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I don't disagree and this has been raised before. One thing we know is where there's political will there's always a way. The easiest way would be taxing based on mileage recorded at MOT. There are plans to implement greater punishments for people caught tampering with odometers already.
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BP used to do a 102-octane fuel back in the early 00s, but the price back then was very much "no thanks". There were also precious few stations that sold it, but my local Bloody Pricey was one that did.

Personally, I used Tesco's Momentum 99-RON in my old 200SX and it's what goes in the Jag. I don't care what Shell claim, it isn't worth the 25p per litre difference to me. I put a small amount of additive in with every tank and stick a bottle of Redline SI-1 in once per year, and that still works out less than the difference two Tesco vs Shell fill-ups make. I would get Esso but, as with Shell, the E5 super unleaded is over 20p more than Tesco's stuff.

Regarding 'pay per mile', we already do that with petrol and diesel ;) . Now, if the government were to remove fuel duty and charge a flat rate for ALL vehicles, have at it (but we all know that's not what's going to happen, they'll hit petrol and diesel with BOTH) but the massive hurdle they face here is how they measure that mileage and how they charge you for it. Good luck sorting that problem out in a way that isn't open to MASSIVE fraud and/or public backlash.
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Yes, if the pay per mile if it goes ahead will be on top of fuel duty which is likely to go up as well.

Since switching both my cars to Shell, I got £194 in loyalty discounts at the pump over the last 2 years. It works out at about 6p discount per litre bought during that time making VPower a bit more palatable.
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Yes Shudds, that’s it, they mentioned Silverstone in the pod.

Without getting political, it’s all a bit gloomy & worrying.
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Let's face it, whatever option the government opt for, it will be a massive fudge up, cost 10x what they originally said, will be run by a 3rd-party private company that will do the absolute minimum and extract maximum pay (because government blank cheque) and we, the citizens, will get bent over a barrel for the privilege.

As my father is so fond of saying, "it was ever thus". Or, as the French put it, "plus ca change".
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This will be a controversial view, but I agree with pay per mile in principle. VED is not a road tax as such, and there hasn’t been a direct tax for using the roads since Winston Churchill abolished actual road tax in 1937.

VED is a pollution tax, but it isn’t completely based on how much your car pollutes - you pay a flat rate whether you drive 100miles or 100,000 miles per year in exactly the same car.

Sure, we all pay fuel duty, which is proportional to how much you drive your ICE vehicle, but again, it’s not a direct tax for using the roads and isn’t ring fenced for spending on roads.

I don’t see a problem in principle of paying based on how much we use the roads - it does depend on what rate(s) they set obviously, as something is going to have to replace declining revenues from VED and ultimately fuel duty.

The fairest way to do it is to base it on mileage driven AND weight of the vehicle. If you’ve not heard of it, look up the ‘fourth power rule’ regarding carriageway wear/ damage based on vehicle/ axle weights. That’s what highways designers use to calculate likely damage and thus substrate requirements etc. In very basic terms the damage goes up exponentially to the 4th power of vehicle/ axle weight.

We don’t buy electricity, gas, petrol, diesel and increasingly even water, at a fixed amount, no matter how much we use. I can see an argument for charging for roads use in a similar way - the more you use them, the more you pay. The heavier your vehicle, the more you pay as you will be causing more carriageway damage.

So it comes down to what rate to charge at and how mileage will be accurately recorded and billed for accordingly.

The annual MOT is one such way of collecting said mileage - sure, you’d have to have severe penalties for mileage tampering, which is not beyond the skill of man to organise. Owners could give a prediction and pay monthly, settling outstanding balance once the accurate data is collected each year. For new cars you could self declare for the first 3 years - obviously if you lie you will end up with a big bill at first MOT. If you sell the car it would be simple enough to add a ‘road tax paid to date’ search on the DVLA website to see any outstanding balance.

With the advent of GPS in cars again it shouldn’t be too difficult to record and submit total mileage (it does not have to record where your journeys were, that could be anonymised) , all it needs is total mileage to date associated with the VIN/ reg. The Jag In Control app already logs such data.🤷‍♂️

However you go about it, the fact is that the revenue generated from drivers does not cover all the associated costs of road building/ maintenance/ policing/ and externalities associated with driving, such as crash, death, injury, hospital costs etc.

VED and fuel duty currently go into the Consolidated Fund along with most other taxes. Roads are paid for out of general taxation for major roads and council tax for local roads. Everyone pays towards them as everyone benefits even if they don’t drive.

The fact that this drive (pun intended) towards fewer ICE vehicles and switch to EVs means revenue streams are declining. They will continue to do so, so something has to be done.

Whether we like it or not, congestion is growing due to the continual increase of car ownership amongst the population and the appalling lack of public transport provision outside of major cities. It has been decades in the making by successive governments refusing to accept the unpalatable truth - you can’t build your way out of congestion and decades of under funding and privatisation of rail and bus travel has left people with little choice but to drive.

So I believe roads pricing at some point is inevitable. Will it be fair? Depends on the rate they set it at. Will it hit poorer people harder? Of course it will, just like everything that is charged for does.

We all complain about tax, whatever form it takes, of course we do. We are resistant to change. That is human nature. But VED and fuel duty are slowly but surely becoming unfit for purpose, so whatever government is in power is going to have to face that reality and come up with something to replace them.

Just my thoughts without getting political - I’m not flying any flag, just trying to accept reality and be logical and fair with what I consider to be the best option.
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Can't really disagree with any of that, Pete, well put :)

As with most of the current problems we're facing, they have been decades in the making, with every political party choosing to "kick the can down the road" rather than face it there and then. As you say, if you live outside of a major town then public transport is a farce - I looked at our village notice board yesterday and we have one bus out and one bus in per day. That's it. Got an early doctor's appointment before that time? Tough. Need to get to work for 8.30am? Tough.
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